Copa del Rey: FC Barcelona vs Valencia CF: Live Match Thread
by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 8:15 PM CET
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PrintCopa del Rey: Semi-finals 2nd Leg
1st Leg Result: Valencia CF 1-1 FC Barcelona
Kickoff: Wednesday, 8 February 2012; 21:00 CET
Camp Nou, Barcelona
Referee: David Fernández Borbalán
Lineups:
FC Barcelona (4-3-3): Jose Manuel Pinto; Carles Puyol, Javier Mascherano, Gerard Pique, Eric Abidal; Cesc Fabregas, Xavi Hernandez, Thiago Alcantara; Isaac Cuenca, Lionel Messi, Alexis Sanchez
Substitutes: Victor Valdes, Dani Alves, Adriano Correia, Marc Bartra, Jonathan Dos Santos, Andres Iniesta, Cristian Tello
Valencia CF (4-2-3-1): Diego Alves; Miguel Monteiro, Adil Rami, Víctor Ruiz, Jérémy Mathieu; Éver Banega, David Albelda; Sofiane Feghouli, Jonas, Jordi Alba; Aritz Aduriz
Substitutes: Vicente Guaita, Bruno Saltor, Ricardo Costa, Daniel Parejo, Pablo Piatti, Tino Costa, Juan Bernat
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Some reports now saying we'll play a 3-4-3
With Mascherano as DM and Cesc as the CAM. We’ll have to wait and see how the boys line up.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 8:19 PM CET reply actions
Surely not
I think it has to do with today’s tactics. Dani was beat badly by Alba/Mathieu in the La Liga game against Valencia, that’s why we have Puyol (again) on the right, may it be a 3 or 4 man backline. And as we know Dani on the wing doesn’t really work so the only place left for him is on the bench.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 8:23 PM CET up reply actions
I disagree
Dani Alves played as a forward with Puyol as a centerback. That’s how Valencia scored those 2 goals in the league… with Mascherano at right center back. All we’ve done is put Cuenca instead of Alves and (possibly) had Puyol and Mascherano switch spots. Does Cuenca give us a better defense than Dani Alves?
The second half, in which we scored the goal to force the draw and almost won and played better on the whole, it was Puyol (!) who was subbed off with Dani Alves as a right defender and Adriano as a right winger.
The last game, we went without Alves, and conceded on that same side again. We didn’t start looking better and less vunerable until Alves was introduced as a right winger.
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 PM CET up reply actions
When Dani plays as winger he's not any better than Cuenca defensively
OK, Dani does work harder to get back than Isaac, but guys like Alexis or Pedro, make more back-pressure tackles than Dani.
Dani is a good defender when he actually plays in defense (best example is when he stopped Ronaldo cold), but if you limit him to just that you might as well just play Puyol at RB. If this lineup eventually ends up being a 3-4-3 then I definitely prefer to see Puyol, Pique and Abi in the backline and not Dani with any of the other two.
And if I’m not mistaken Alves replaced Alexis in the Valencia game and not Puyol.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 8:44 PM CET up reply actions
I tend lean towards Bostjan's perspective
When Alves plays in defense, he is more valuable vs him playing as a winger, when he plays a winger he is not as effective in scoring positions as Cuenca and becomes defensive liability
You're not understanding what I'm saying
1) I’m not advocating Dani INSTEAD of Puyol, I’m advocating Dani AND Puyol. One as a right-back and the other as a right defender.
2) I’m not advocating Dani as an attacker, though I’d prefer him over Cuenca defensively. Again, 4 man line. Dani and Puyol both as defenders ont he right side.
Now on to what you’re saying: a 3 man line of Pique, Puyol and Abidal… We had a defense of Puyol, Mascherano and Abidal and THAT line got the 2 goals scored on them. The only changes is Cuenca instead of Alves, which like I said doesn’t help our defense. Puyol on the right instead of in the center, an improvement maybe. Pique instead of Mascherano. Doesn’t strike me as a great improvement.
IF we’re going with a three-man line (which I don’t recommend), why not go with the one closer to the one that got us the draw in the league (that would be Alves, Mascherano and Abidal) instead of going with the one that went 2-1 down? . Only Puyol instead of Mascherano, so that he can play in the holding role?
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 9:01 PM CET up reply actions
I'm always for a 4-man backline
I think everybody knows by now that I hate the 3-4-3 (even when it works). My ideal backline would be Dani-Puyol-Pique-Abi, but it this case, against Valencia’s very skilled forwards/midfielders, I prefer Puyol stopping Alba/Mathieu.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:10 PM CET up reply actions
Soldado update
He has a fever and it’s bad enough that he isn’t even on the bench.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 PM CET reply actions
hope he gets better
though it’s a relief not to have to play against him
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 PM CET up reply actions
I really hope Mourinho is tempted with a massive offer
Capello resigned if people don’t know
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I heard
I have to admit I’m surprised. If you ask me he should’ve been fired after the 2010 World Cup, but if you stick with him after that, then Capello should’ve stayed until after the EURO Cup is over.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM CET up reply actions
He was right
He merely said that the FA shouldn’t have made a judgement on Terry’s captaincy, that it was his decision and they should wait until after his trial, and they got the hump. I feel sorry for him, doomed from the start. Unbelievably, Jose is shorter odds than Stuart Pearce…
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 9:03 PM CET up reply actions
i think the FA should have taken care of the terry situation long ago.
it’s ridiculous that the courts are taking so long to resolve it as well. i think terry should have been excluded entirely until the case gets heard.
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But shouldn't it be the manager's decision?
I dunno, Capello was on a hiding for nothing either way
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 PM CET up reply actions
the manager should most certainly be the one to name the captain.
the FA has really messed this up. if terry isn’t allowed (by them) to be captain how can they allow him on the team at all?
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yeah
Catalogue of errors really. As always in England :(
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 9:20 PM CET up reply actions
Kickoff
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:03 PM CET reply actions
Early FK for Valencia
Causes no problems
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:05 PM CET reply actions
Watching on the TV
What a novelty. HD and everything :D
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Mathieu with a chance
but he doesn’t strike the ball well.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:07 PM CET reply actions
High pressing by Valencia
Defense making some silly mistakes (Abi twice now)
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:08 PM CET reply actions
Would've liked to see Tello instead of Cuenca.
Tello looked more dangerous on the wing last time.
You're not the only one
Many were saying Tello should start this game (instead of Cuenca), but looks like Pep disagrees.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 PM CET up reply actions
Looks like the reports were wrong
We are playing the 4-3-3
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 PM CET reply actions
Oh yeah
Barca went out of the NGS 3-0 to Ajax. It wasn’t a fair reflection of the performance though
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I forgot about that
We lost? I can’t believe we lost by such a convincing score.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:14 PM CET up reply actions
Ajax got a bit lucky
Ultimately it showed that our guys are 1-2 years younger than Ajax’s kids. Disappointed by that though
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM CET up reply actions
Valencia playing very well
High press, good defending; Barca with absolutely nothing to show for.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 PM CET reply actions
Feghouli with a chance
but he fires wide
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:16 PM CET reply actions
yikes.
that was close.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Mathieu wanted another assist there
I think he has Barca games marked with a special marker.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:16 PM CET reply actions
Sanchez is looking good
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Thiago playing as DM today
I’m very surprised by that. I think both Xavi and Cesc would’ve been better options for that position.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:18 PM CET reply actions
CESCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!!!
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Gooooooaaaaaaaal!!!
Fabregas!!!
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:19 PM CET reply actions
Madre mia
What a pass from Leo
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good.
"michael gilhaney is an example of a man that is nearly banjaxed from the principal of the atomic theory. would it astonish you to hear that he is nearly half a bicycle?" ~~ sergeant pluck
Mistake by Alves in my opinion
He should’ve challenged Cesc for that ball, would’ve been there first if he decided to go after it. To be clear, I’m not complaining :)
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:20 PM CET reply actions
Cant see the match, damn!
Looking at the Capello drama and reading the match thread.
by meadow on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM CET via mobile reply actions
First a save by Alves on Messi
and then Cuenca’s shot goes wide
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:22 PM CET reply actions
Bad first touch by Xavi
The world is coming to an end
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 PM CET reply actions
Very lively game
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 PM CET reply actions
Yellow card for Aduriz
for a foul on Thiago
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 PM CET reply actions
That Cuenca miss gets worse and worse
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the worst part is he missed wide left...
when the keeper was completely stuck to the left side… the open net was on the other side…
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 PM CET up reply actions
hard chance
But looked sooo easy
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 9:28 PM CET up reply actions
Alves saves Messi's free kick
Nicely taken
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:29 PM CET reply actions
Well worked
Good save
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Alexis fires wide
terrifically set up by Cesc
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:31 PM CET reply actions
Looks like Alexis' shot was blocked
nothing from the corner though
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:31 PM CET up reply actions
Big game syndrome
Why don’t we do this every match?
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Rami is having some difficulties today
His defending hasn’t been very good, but his passing/ball-security has been even worse.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 PM CET reply actions
Another chance goes begging
Cesc should’ve scored
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:35 PM CET reply actions
Yeah
but none of his gifts ended up in the back of the net. Sadly.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:38 PM CET up reply actions
We drew with this team twice?
Baffling by the last 25 minutes
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Another save Alves
They just allowed Cesc to get into a scoring area
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:40 PM CET reply actions
Alves this time does what he should've done when Cesc scored
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM CET reply actions
Good block Pique
Jonas has a very good shot
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:43 PM CET reply actions
63% now
that’s more like it.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 PM CET up reply actions
Looks like Ruiz is man-marking Messi now
He’s all over Messi, even at midfield.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 PM CET reply actions
Yellow Feghouli
Another foul on Thiago
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 PM CET reply actions
Body check by Puyol
Poor Jonas had no chance.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 PM CET reply actions
Halftime
We deserve to be in front, but this one could’ve been all over by now (again)
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:50 PM CET reply actions
If you factor in the missed penalty
We could be up 4 or 5, easily.
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 9:51 PM CET up reply actions
(missed PK from the first leg, that is)
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 9:52 PM CET up reply actions
I was factoring it in
These last 45 minutes should’ve been merely a formality, but it’s still anybody’s game right now.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:53 PM CET up reply actions
anyone with a link?
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by Guidance Mhlari on Feb 8, 2012 9:53 PM CET via mobile reply actions
Nope, sorry
Try firstrowsports or rojadirecta.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 9:54 PM CET up reply actions
45 minutes left
Come on boys!
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 PM CET reply actions
Great save Pinto, twice
Alba and Aduriz had chances
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:06 PM CET reply actions
ha! always loved pinto.
well, ok, that’s not true, but that was sweet.
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Awful touch by Aduriz
Could’ve been one-on-one with Pinto
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:09 PM CET reply actions
Valencia with a good start to the half
Again
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 PM CET reply actions
Yellow for Ruiz
He was asking for it for a while now
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 PM CET reply actions
So
Valencia face Stoke next week, and if we really are to know that Stoke would beat us, then what? Valencia should lose by two? Three? :P
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Chance for Messi, but it goes off the bar
Cuenca with a very good set up.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:13 PM CET reply actions
Amazing save Alves
On Messi again
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM CET reply actions
if it weren't for his mistake on the Cesc goal
Alves would be MOTM so far, easily.
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 PM CET up reply actions
Alves has to be man on the match by now
Yes, he should’ve done better when Cesc scored, but he has saved like five clear chances
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 PM CET reply actions
Mascherano clears (almost) off the line
Pinto looking for something near the edge of the box
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 PM CET reply actions
where you going pinto?
mercy.
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Absolute tank of a defender
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Too close for comfort
Keeper beaten, Mascherano saves the goal
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 PM CET reply actions
How nice
As if we haven’t seen enough of Valencia there is another game against them (at Camp Nou) in just 10 days.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:19 PM CET reply actions
Alves is crazy
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What a miss by Messi
Unbelievable
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:22 PM CET reply actions
Messi one on one
ball eventually goes wide… Messi claims a penalty
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 PM CET reply actions
Puyol sets up Pique (from the wing)
but Pique can’t get a touch on the ball
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 PM CET reply actions
Xavi goes for it from 20 yards out
but the ball goes wide of the net.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 PM CET reply actions
Pique on the wing again
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 PM CET reply actions
Deadly ball from Pique on the wing haha
well-cleared though
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 PM CET reply actions
Yellow for Cesc
Apparently for dissent.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:28 PM CET reply actions
Tino Costa on for Banega
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM CET reply actions
Puyol clears with a bicycle kick
if he hadn’t reached it it was a 1v1 with the keeper
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:30 PM CET reply actions
Chaos while defending a corner
Danger averted when Aduriz handled the ball
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 PM CET reply actions
Good job Abi
Valencia pressing again
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 PM CET reply actions
Mathieu beats Pique on the left wing
Abidal clears the cross
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM CET reply actions
Save Pinto
Jonas with a good shot
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM CET reply actions
Chances for a goal
Barca 9 – 5 Valencia
And we’ve seen only one goal?
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:34 PM CET reply actions
Alexis with a low cross towards Cuenca
cleared by Miguel
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:34 PM CET reply actions
Red card Feghouli
Second yellow for him
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 PM CET reply actions
very silly
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 10:36 PM CET up reply actions
If Borbalán knew Feghouli had a yellow before
he surely wouldn’t have shown him the second one for this challenge.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:36 PM CET reply actions
Piatti on for Jonas
Piatti surely would’ve replaced Feghouli had he not been sent off.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM CET reply actions
Mascherano is having a great game
not only defending, he’s had some great runs too.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM CET reply actions
I think we may consider substituting Alexis at this point
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM CET reply actions
I agree
He looks very tired
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 PM CET up reply actions
Aduriz slipped
Just as he created the space he needed he blew a tire.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 PM CET reply actions
Gooooooaaaaaaaal!!!
Xavi!!!
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 PM CET reply actions
XAVVIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bring on Bilbao
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I think the time off did wonders for Xavi
I think Pep should consider the same treatment for Messi
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 PM CET reply actions
Yellow for Thiago
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 PM CET reply actions
dive
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by Arron Duckling on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM CET up reply actions
Some difficulties for Pinto there
Tino Costa with the strong FK
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM CET reply actions
Parejo replaces Albelda;
AM for DM, no choice for Valencia really
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM CET reply actions
Parejo for Albelda
nothing to lose I suppose
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM CET reply actions
Good save Alves
Messi trying to surprise Alves with the placing of the shot.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM CET reply actions
Alves now on for Alexis
As if one Alves didn’t cause enough problems :)
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM CET reply actions
Nice dribbling by Thiago
Thiago has been all over the pitch today.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM CET reply actions
Yellow for Alves
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM CET reply actions
Thiago with some nice moves
leads to Alves blasting it, blocked for a corner
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM CET reply actions
Tello sighting
He takes Cuenca’s place
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM CET reply actions
Valencia don't even seem to be trying anymore
A tough task to score twice with only 10 against Barca, but still..
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:49 PM CET reply actions
Iniesta come on now (yay)
Cesc comes off
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:50 PM CET reply actions
Iniesta to get a few minutes
he replaces Cesc
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM CET reply actions
Iniesta to get a few minutes
he replaces Cesc
by Luis Mazariegos on Feb 8, 2012 10:51 PM CET reply actions
I'm such a fool
I said that Cesc had 19 goals in the preview. bah
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Iniesta and Messi with some magic
beautiful
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:52 PM CET reply actions
Final here we come!!!
It’s over
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:52 PM CET reply actions
easier than expected
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And we have a repeat of the 2008/09 Copa del Rey Final
The venue is still unknown, but Athletic is open to a Camp Nou Final (even against Barcelona)
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 PM CET reply actions
Scoring chances in the end
11-6 for Barca.
I still can’t believe all the chances we missed.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 PM CET reply actions
He shouldn't be
He could’ve had a hat-trick today.
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 11:03 PM CET up reply actions
Yep...
…that’s two games in a row, he’s come close. the people who criticize him are going to have another field day with the chances he missed, but i have to side with Messi. He’s already scrutinized heavily as it is. Maybe all that talk about him is wearing on him a bit…I don’t know?
Oh Happy day!
So one more hurdle to go.
Hope I can see the final, Bilbao wont go down without a fight, its going to be a fantastic battle.
by meadow on Feb 8, 2012 11:05 PM CET via mobile reply actions
He was a game time decision for this game
so if all goes as planed he should be ready for Osasuna
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by Bostjan Cernensek on Feb 8, 2012 11:21 PM CET up reply actions
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can anyone tell I’m happy?
by Sebanovic on Feb 8, 2012 11:21 PM CET via mobile reply actions
Nope
You’re cool as a cucumber :)
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